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It was almost like they'd been taken over by anti-grammar vigilante zombies: "We.will.not.vandalize.National.Park.signs" gahhhhhhh.
I posit hidden government-run descriptivist re-education camps in unmapped areas of the American Southwest. Or in a secret base within Pikes Peak, the obvious headquarters for any organization that doesn't think spelling matters.
Sounds like a lost X-Files episode. Where are Mulder and Scully when we need them?
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I wonder at the writers who carp and cavil about the semicolon, finding it unpleasant, artificial or even ugly, when it is the apostrophe that is the source of most of the trouble in English punctuation — inept plurals, bungled possessives, nasty little hooks in the wrong place all over the landscape
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I don't remember a Canostrophe on McDonald's signage, but they do have a small red maple leaf down around the middle of the arches.
And the placement of that apostrophe in the vertical sign really does look odd, but I'm not sure it'd look any better before the d instead.
I think on vertical signage, you lose all punctuation (apostrophes, hyphens).
I love the semicolon! And I'm w/ John McI--the apostrophe looks uglier and gets used wrong more often.
I've never understood animosity toward the semicolon. I've seen it overused, but I don't understand why its existence anywhere draws such condemnation.
I don't know what you's guy's are talking about! What's up with these here grammar rule's anyhow? Here, in BC, we use'd our language good. We's not a bunch of Canucknucklehead's you now! Eh!!!
Laurel Ennis; Copywriter S'urrey BC
Tim Hortons is like Barclays: lots of companies have dropped their apostrophe.
But the apostrophe is just a spelling convention*. The semicolon is genuine punctuation.
*which is not to say that it's not incredibly useful. I only mean that I can't get wrathful at bad spellers.
Canostrophe? OMG. Excuse me if I'm late to the party on that term but it's hilarious.
Since its inception in 1890, the U.S. Board on Geographic Names has discouraged the use of the possessive form — the genitive apostrophe and the "s". The possessive form using an "s" is allowed, but the apostrophe is almost always removed. The Board's archives contain no indication of the reason for this policy.
However, there are many names in the GNIS database that do carry the genitive apostrophe, because the Board chooses not to apply its policies to some types of features. Although the legal authority of the Board includes all named entities except Federal Buildings, certain categories — broadly determined to be "administrative" — are best left to the organization that administers them. Examples include schools, churches, cemeteries, hospitals, airports, shopping centers, etc. The Board promulgates the names, but leaves issues such as the use of the genitive or possessive apostrophe to the data owners.
Myths attempting to explain the policy include the idea that the apostrophe looks too much like a rock in water when printed on a map, and is therefore a hazard, or that in the days of "stick-up type" for maps, the apostrophe would become lost and create confusion. The probable explanation is that the Board does not want to show possession for natural features because, "ownership of a feature is not in and of itself a reason to name a feature or change its name."
Since 1890, only five Board decisions have allowed the genitive apostrophe for natural features. These are: Martha's Vineyard (1933) after an extensive local campaign; Ike's Point in New Jersey (1944) because "it would be unrecognizable otherwise"; John E's Pond in Rhode Island (1963) because otherwise it would be confused as John S Pond (note the lack of the use of a period, which is also discouraged); and Carlos Elmer's Joshua View (1995 at the specific request of the Arizona State Board on Geographic and Historic Names because, "otherwise three apparently given names in succession would dilute the meaning," that is, Joshua refers to a stand of trees. Clark's Mountain in Oregon (2002) was approved at the request of the Oregon Board to correspond with the personal references of Lewis and Clark.
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I've always wondered about the aversion to apostrophes. My parents recently lived in a town called Scottsbluff, which is named after a nearby bluff named after a man named Scott.
Not only is the apostrophe missing, but so is the space, which makes me want to say it with primary stress on the first syllable and no stress on the second, when in fact it's pronounced with secondary stress on the first and primary stress on the second.
I love a good semicolon, but this sounds like one of those Literature is Dead! stories that the New York Times likes to run. I've never heard from a reader confused by one of my semicolons, and I don't remember ever throwing a book aside for being semicolon-free.
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Thanks for the link. For what it's worth, I don't think the punctuation debate is particular new here (read: Europa) either. Still, good to know that the humble semicolon can still rouse passion. Good or bad!
Oh, and I emailed the Guardian about the errant comma you also spotted. No reply yet. Probably still checking their point-vigules.
Great blog by the way.
Hah, thanks.
I see that the Guardian hasn't silently corrected the story, so that comma will probably be there for good.
Not only is it a bad comma, but they apparently stole it from the following sentence. The horror!
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Wow. I just discovered your site while settling an argument with my roommate concerning the Oxford comma (and yes, it was prompted by the "Vampire Weekend" song). We were both English majors, so this sort of thing comes up regularly.
I, too, am a huge semicolon fan.
I'm not sure if you have posted about this yet and I just missed it, but I am very troubled by the growing trend of using quotation marks for emphasis. For example, I've seen signs in store windows where the product is in quotes. One sign that I recently saw said "ORANGES". Why the need for quotation marks?
I fear that this is merely the beginning....
It sounds like you'd enjoy The "Blog" of "Unnecessary" Quotation Marks.
I'm usually pretty sanguine about language change, but the rise of emphasis-quotes seems to come at the expense of my beloved scare quotes.
Thanks. I laughed "out loud".
This story has word nerds all a-flutter now, doesn't it? Has anyone seen the actual sign? The story in the NYT just had a picture of the semicolonist, er, semicolonialist, er, semicolonizer . . .
Language Log was on this story before it hit the NYT. Their first post included a picture of the ad.
The editor of a magazine I used to work for banned editorial staff from using semi-colons (in the publication, not in their private life). As such I have a special fondness for this particular punctuation mark.
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Shouldn't it be 'NORTHMARKETMERCHANTS'? To my mind they've wussed out but not removing *all* the spaces...
Yes (and I agree with JD actually) but whatever did they mean by doing it this way?
Now that's an excellent question. Hopefully it's an attempt to be hip (spaces being old hat) and not some weird ideological or philosophical decision. In any case, I'm amazed that whoever thought this up was able to get the approval.
"Greenpeace actions are illegal under international law (and) it's time the public stopped treating Greenpeace as heroes," Glenn Inwood, spokesman for the Institute of Cetacean Research, in Tokyo, Japan, said Monday.
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Ugh. I think a good rule of thumb is to never insert something in brackets (or remove something with ellipses, for that matter) unless you really have to. And if the plain quote is ugly or unusable for some reason without heavy editorial intervention, then maybe you should find a different quote or simply paraphrase.
Well put.
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Lisa said "thanks for stopping by...good luck to you today...have a nice day".
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The punctuation marks are all segmental units of writing — i.e. they fully occupy a position in the linear sequence of written symbols. There are, however, various non-segmental features which can serve the same kind of purpose as the punctuation marks. For example, titles of literary or other works may be italicised as an alternative to being enclosed in quotation marks.
In virtually all written material the apostrophe is physically — or, as we shall say, graphically — identical with a single quotation mark. We need, therefore, to distinguish between two kinds of concept which we will call indicators and characters. The characters are the graphical shapes, or symbols, that realise the indicators. Apostrophe and single quotation mark are then distinct indicators that may be realised by the same character.
At the first level we can distinguish three uses of the (ordinary) hyphen:i. To join grammatical components in complex words: the hard hyphen
ii. To mark a break within a word at the end of a line: the soft hyphen
iii. To represent in direct speech either stuttering ('When c-c-can I come?') or exaggeratedly slow and careful pronunciation ('Speak c-l-e-a-r-l-y!')
The terms 'hard' and 'soft' are taken from word-processing: a hard hyphen is introduced into a document by a keystroke, while a soft one is inserted by the word-processing program.
This is used instead of an ordinary syntactic hyphen with adjuncts consisting of nouns or proper names where the semantic relation is "between X and Y" or "from X to Y":
[...]
It can be used with more than two components, as in the London–Paris–Bonn axis. It is also found with adjectives derived from proper names: French–German relations. There is potentially a semantic contrast between the two hyphens, as in the Llewelyn–Jones Company (a partnership) vs the Llewelyn-Jones Company (with a single compound proper name). This hyphen is also used in giving spans of page numbers, dates or the like: pages 23–64, Franz Schubert (1797–1828).
iii. separation: A's PhD's if's 1960's
A minor use of the apostrophe is to separate the plural suffix from the base, as in [7iii]; this occurs when the base consists of a letter (She got three A's in philosophy), certain kinds of abbreviation, a word used metalinguistically, or a numeral.
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fyi but you probly know this: the special-assignment plural apostrophe-S is called standard by the Oxford Companion to the English Language.
I'm woefully short of dead tree reference materials, but I'm not too surprised.
It seems like at least some version of this apostrophe should be standard for everyone, and that the people who get upset by it wouldn't if they would just stop and think about it...
Cordilia said:
Thank you and good luck.
When I got to her station she said:
How can I help you?
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Daniel approached as I sat at the bar, smiled and said; hi, what can I get you?
Julietta smiled and said; hello, my name is Julietta. I will be bringing you to your table.
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Any odd shape folks understand
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His publisher was not to be outdone and replied fully in keeping with the truth: "!"
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